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Tue, Jan. 30th, 2007, 02:56 am
sudyn: The first discussion

Welcome to Suedomy, ladies and gents.
This community is first and foremost about bitch-slapping Mary Sue and castrating Gary Stu, yet some individuals don’t seem to know who they are. Wikipedia offers a detailed description of the various Sue arch-types, and Urbandictionary.com offers a neatly simplified version thereof.

Now that we all know who and what we’re dissing, we might as well start off with a little discussion.

Which “famous” Sues annoy you the most? Where do we find them? Who are the perpetrators/authors?
Or are there maybe some Sues you actually like? Actually care about?

Well. I can give you one example of a Sue that drives me nuts.
Terry Goodkind aka Richard Rahl!
Yes. Seldom have I come across such perfect fodder for Sue’diss’m!
Author and protagonist don’t only sound the same, but look the same, too. Absolutely beautiful!
The backcountry dolt turns into an all-knowing king and wizard… yes. Yet again. He is dashing, handsome, and loved by all… excluding some readers who are not overly fond of Sues.

Have fun discussing!

Tue, Jan. 30th, 2007 11:52 pm (UTC)

hmmm... I try to stay away from books with Sues in them... When was the last time I read one like that? I honestly can't think of one. I know books where nothing bad ever happens to the protagonists piss me off. Or ones where everything is tied up nice and neatly leaving no room for the reader's imagination. Or ones where the protagonists do everything right.

I've never read anything by Terry Goodkind. Mainly because I've heard such horrible things about his work in regards to Sueism.

I've read some bad fanfics with Sues incorporated into them. I've been in rpgs where people have created Sues (um.. the owner of the game)... and they knew everything, nothing they did was wrong (my characters were always wrong compared to them), they were oh so smart. My characters in those games always came across as the bad guys because I would want to kill this Sue or I'd make them do stupid shit to offset the perfectness of the Sue.

Wed, Jan. 31st, 2007 02:13 pm (UTC)

Hrmph. Characters that never do anything wrong. *nods* Don’t like those either.
In TG’s Sword of Truth series, Richard Rahl and his lady Kalan Amnell make mistakes. Surely. The problem here is, however, that they always end up being able to solve the problem. And no matter what: their opinions are always correct! Especially Richard’s. He has such deep insight into things concerning cultures and conduct, and only had two or three years to learn… *pukes* It’s just so unrealistic.
And then there’s the very annoying part that almost every single novel evolves and rotates about them, and them only. If there’s a problem (usually it’s Kalan who is in trouble, and Richard has to save her) TG goes on and on about one protagonist wangsting about the other… Even the side characters go on and on about Kalan, and especially Richard, when they are trying to figure out a solution to some other problem. (makes little sense. I know. Excuse my grammar, please).
I can’t stand it when authors do that kind of thing. As if characters D, E, F, and G, don’t have anything to do but think about the troubles of character A and B. *sigh*
You know… it’s grotesque, but I actually recommend you read – or at least read into – one of TG’s books. That way you can know for certain how not to go about one’s own writing. =P
Personally, I think it makes a novel more interesting if you actually let your characters blunder into random things. Some novels are so damn predictable, and the worst about those is that they (almost) always have a happy ending.
Or ones where everything is tied up nice and neatly leaving no room for the reader's imagination.
*groans* Yes. I’ve come across those as well. The worst ones are those where not only the imagery of every scene is ruined with too much detail, but the all the plots and schemes are obvious before they even come into play. Predictable.
I really like novels where you have to puzzle about a lot, or those novels where the scheme in book one is unravelled in book two… maybe even book three. Brings in lots of fun and tension. =D
(As long as it is not overdone, of course.)